I have a friend. I’ve known him since I first moved here to Glasgow almost four years ago now. Our first contacts were more flirtatious than friendly, though due to various circumstances (girlfriends turning into ex-girlfriends, him hitting on various of my friends and sleeping with a few more, etc.) we established ourselves as just friends. This was more due to my insistence than his, but we’ve managed to build a good friendship over the past few years. He’s definitely messed up when it comes to relationships and the line between friendship and something-a-bit-more has blurred a few times. But for the past year we’ve been firmly just friends. I’ll admit that prior to this I romanticised our close friendship more than I should have. I held out hope for a long time that eventually he’d stop dating around and realise that we’re perfect for each other. Or even just stop all the talking and actually put his money where his mouth is. He’s made numerous comments over the years that I’m his ‘perfect partner’ and once even admitted that he’s in love with me. But still, nothing. So last year I finally realised that I was wasting my time on this guy and finally put it all behind me. I genuinely feel nothing but friendship for him anymore and am much happier for it.
So here’s my dilemma. This guy is currently dating the ultimate rebound girl. He’s now dating her for the third time, after breaking up with her twice before after he met someone else he liked better. For some reason I can’t fathom she keeps taking him back, even after he dumped her twice. She took him back again around 8 months ago and they’ve been dating since. The problem? Now he’s talking about marrying her. And I’m absolutely convinced that this is not the right woman for him. One bit of evidence being that he was basically hitting on me just a few months ago before he moved away from Glasgow. He was saying (again, by the way, this being a common thing he says when he gets drunk) that we should date someday and that we have to give it a try sometime. Oh, and that he thinks about kissing me all the time. All this occurring about 30 minutes before the current girlfriend was supposed to come and pick him up. Now, a year or two ago I would have gotten all weak kneed by this but this time, not at all. Just sort of made me uncomfortable. And very VERY aware that this is not at ALL appropriate. Which I told him and he said he knows, blah blah blah.
And please, I am aware that I’m an idiot for falling for this crap again and again in the past, but I promise, I’ve seen the error of my ways and have no feelings for this guy at all anymore. We are firmly just friends (at least I am) and I know that even though we have always had a great connection, we are not meant to be a couple. Just to be clear.
So this is my problem. Should I tell him that I think he’s making a mistake? I’m one of those people who is brutally honest with my friends and I’ve always been very clear to him when I think he’s being an ass. The way I see it, this girl is not the right one for him, or he was just being an ass a few months ago when he was hitting on me. And yes, I know, he’s not being a good friend by saying these things, but that’s a whole other issue. Or maybe, am I just being incredibly cynical? Is it possible to find love the third time around? That he got bored by this girl twice before but something this time has changed? I personally think he’s searching for stability and meaning in his life through romantic relationships and this girl has shown that she’s always going to forgive him, no matter what he does. So maybe, that IS the perfect woman for him? The thing is, the past three other relationships he’s been in since I’ve known him, every single time he said he was thinking about marriage, they broke up a few months later. Except this time he’s actually bought a ring.
I don’t know, maybe I should just stay out of it. But I feel like, regardless of our past involvement, he IS my friend. And if I think a friend is making a mistake, I always tell them. And if he thinks I’m wrong, that’s cool, I’ll never say anything again. I genuinely think he’s making a mistake though, just going by everything I’ve ever known about relationships. And yes, ok, to be fair that’s not a lot, but still. Am I totally wrong here? Regardless of this individual relationship, is it even possible to realise the third time around that this person is the one for you? It just doesn’t seem so to me, but then, maybe I’m cynical. I do want him to be happy and if this is the girl he wants, then maybe I should just leave him to it and stay out of the whole situation.
Has anyone been in this same situation? I mean his situation or mine. Has anyone had a relationship work after it ended twice before? Or should I try to believe in love a little bit more?
YIKES!!!! This is a tough one. For whatever reason, my strongest inclination is to suggest that you say nothing. Zero.
That being said, if he ASKS if you think she’s the right one, should he marry her, blah blah blah, then you can tell him your sincere thoughts, but be sure to stress the “I care about you and support you as a friend, but I don’t support your decision” angle. I think the question of “Can you find true love the third time around” is a non-issue, since everyone is INSANELY different in this respect.
Then, if he DOES ask her and they do get married, unfortunately it is truly time for you to go your seperate ways. Because of the history you’ve got w/ him, out of respect for his bride-to-be, you’ve got to distance yourself. Sad, but true. (BTW, it is likely no guy will agree w/ me on this….but trust me)
By: essaytch on May 19, 2008
at 3:35 pm
Essaytch, I agree with you. On every point including the distance.
But based on his behavior, I recommend you create space no matter what happens.
He is a toxic tree sloth, and it takes one to know one. He is not healthy emotionally, and he’s not doing you (or anyone else) any favors by building emotional ties right now. I realize you want to “be there as a friend” but he sees you as a crutch, not as a true friend.
Trust me on this…it takes one to know one. And I have been one.
(if you’re not clear what a tree sloth is, check Jitta’s blog, she has a GREAT post on this subject. A “tree-sloth” is a guy that just kinda hangs on to one relationship until he can safely switch to another without ever hitting the ground. Relationship to Relationship to Relationship. That kind of progression builds up a lot of bad mojo. He needs to hit the gruond for a while, and until he realizes that, he’s not gonna do it. Because hitting the ground is scary and lonely and ick…)
By: Dead Charming on May 19, 2008
at 4:04 pm
Oh my god! He is so absolutely a tree sloth! I’ve totally called him out about this too and told him that this isn’t healthy behavior. He invests so much time in relationships and goes from girlfriend to girlfriend to girlfriend without ever being single for longer than a few weeks. Which, I suspect, is why this girl keeps popping up. He’ll date her until he meets someone else, then dump her and go for the new one. Then as soon as that relationship ends, he’s straight back to her so he doesn’t ever actually have to be single. It’s a very unhealthy pattern and I’ve made my opinions about this clear, but obviously he doesn’t agree. Well actually, he just says he can’t go that long without sex. LAME.
As for the distance, I have to disagree. I know we’ve talked a lot about this in the past S and I totally respect where you’re coming from. I think if there were still feeling there then I’d be taking a big step back if this is the woman for him. But to be honest, the fact that he is so invested in romantic relationships over platonic ones combined with his actual physical move (down to England) we’re not as super close as we once were. There’s just a natural distance involved when a relationship becomes more serious. To be honest, I give him such a hard time more for his girlfriend than for him. He’s been there and done that about a billion times, but I feel so bad for HER. She’s obviously dealing with some severe self-esteem issues to put up with his shit for so long. I keep praying that maybe he actually will do right by her and stick with her, but I just have this horrible feeling that I’m going to be the road-side spectator to a pretty horrific crash in the next few months. I also genuinely like her and I can’t help thinking, um…don’t you deserve better than a guy who already dumped you twice? Someone who chose you for YOU and not because he couldn’t stand to be alone and you were just the most easily available woman? And don’t worry, I’ve said this all to him before! But he’s a 30 year old man and has been dating for a LONG time so these habits will die hard, if at all. I’ve kind of given up hope that he’ll ever change. I just hope he doesn’t break her heart too by promising her things that will never come to fruition. Seriously, the guy should just not date.
By: Scomerican Girl on May 19, 2008
at 5:08 pm
Clearly I’m in the minority here … but perhaps broaching the topic in an open-ended way might work? Asking how he knows she’s totally sure she’s “the one”? Stuff like that? Maybe asking him to articulate his reasons could either wake him up or help you understand what the hell he’s thinking.
By: Dori on May 20, 2008
at 12:27 am
I’ve asked him before why he thinks this time it’ll work out and all he really says is ‘we’re both different this time.’ He can’t really articulate what’s changed or why she in particular is the right one. And since ‘last time’ was just seven months before ‘this time’ I really find it hard to believe that they’ve both significantly changed. He does ask my opinion about things – and also fully expects me to give it – to maybe next time we have a chance to talk I can ask some probing questions and leave it at that. And if he’s dead-set on marrying her, well…I’m sure he’s not the first or the last guy to choose a person his friends think is wrong.
ps Hi Dori and welcome! Love your blog!
By: Scomerican Girl on May 20, 2008
at 7:24 am
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